Dutch Corner History Group

Hey, I think the one that you have "Henry Wiant" listed, is v-28 (at least, according to the one survey that listed his name)
front link is http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/rg/di/r17-114CopiedSurveyBooks/Books%20A%20-%20Z/Book%20V/Book%20V%20pg%2058.pdf

back of the page is http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/rg/di/r17-114CopiedSurveyBooks/Books%20A%20-%20Z/Book%20V/Book%20V%20pg%2059.pdf

None of the names on the front of the survey make any sense, but on the back, it does. Of course, maybe its a different survey that you're looking at for him.

I'm trying to pull all of them up to get the links so put on with the map for easy access for anyone looking for them.

Hey, and too, I know for sure that part of two surveys (James Bell and James Cummings) went to Frederick Zimmers (see http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/rg/di/r17PatentIndexes/H1809-23PatentIndex401.pdf). It was for 412 acres 130 perches, and dated 12/11/1812. (I know this because I'm related to the Zimmers' and when Dad went in to the Historical Society Library, they have a copy of something or other on a sheepskin or something like that.)

Lora,
Bill is going to come over to my place sometime this week -- probably today, Saturday. We are going to see if we can move from warrants to deeds on the Bowser Homestead. I am sure the name Zimmers will come up.
Frank

Lora,

I had seen the name Frederick Zimmer was who the two surveys were returned to. I made a note of this since my 4th G. Granfather John Bowser b. 1790 (grandson of John and Eve Bowser) married Margaret Zimmer b. 1789 who was the daughter of Frederick and Margaret Zimmer. Sounds like we are related. (Do you have any info on Frederick and Margaret since all I know is she died about 1860 sice her will was probated then)

One of the things that is needed is an index that list's the name and date the warrant was applied for, the date and name of the returnee (not always the same as you've noticed. Also in the index if adjoining surveys list a name for the land then the date and name.

Like this:

C-16-52
warrant applied 31 may 1762 by ______________ (I forget who applied for it... was it William Trent? have to look it up)
shown on survey C-7-99 as "William Trents" land in Sep 1774
shown on survey A-2-112 as "James Thomsons" land in Aug 1789
shown on survey A-34-138 as "Cummings and Bells" land in June 1809
Warrant returned to Frederick Zimmers Feb 1811

Just my thought. This is a lot of work, but it would give a history as to the settlers of the land. For now I will continue to construct the map. I am sure there will be lots of editing to the map as errors and additions are pointed out by others. This is very time consuming which is why I haven't been doing it all along. Building the index should also catch errors I may have made on the survey numbers. The index could be expanded to list later names of the land owners.

Frank gave me some deed surveys of the Camp Ranch showing how the Camp ranch came together. I will attempt to draw these on the computer and see how it overlays. We hope a couple of property boundry lines will line up so we can get a better idea of how it all relates to todays properties.

Bill

Lora,
How do you get to the indexes for the "V" voulme series survey books? I only see the A, B, C, and D Volume indexes. I have some other references to the "V" series and if I could access them it may help me build more of the map. The survey for Henry Wiant fits the map. Thanks!

Bill

p.s. Also, have you found the "Q" serries index?

I am still working on the land warrant map. I have four or five new plots added to the Dutch Corner area. I am also working on the area to the north of Dutch corner and am trying to connect it to the Dutch Corner. When I started the area to the north I had no idea where I was. I now have enough assembled to see that I may have been somewhere between Weyant and Pavia, but I think I am now down to the Osterburg area. Not all of the surveys have the survey number of the surrounding surveys written on them. When I find several that do have the adjoining surveys numbers I run with them and see where they take me. The names listed as the surrounding land is not always the name the warrant survey is listed under as I can see some plots changed hands several times in 10 or 20 years. I would have never thought the land would be changing hands that fast so early in the settling of the area. Following the streams is not easy either as some of the surveys don't show the streams and on a survey it will list "branch of Dunnings Creek" which can be Dunnings, Bobs, Georges, Scrubgrass, Rocklick, Gordons, and Stone Creeks, or Oppenheimer, Imlertown, Barefoot, Pleasant Valley, Brush, Mud Runs This map project has become adictive. By the time I am done I might have present day Bedford, East and West St. Clair, Union, King, Kimmel, Lincoln, Napier, and Colerain townships included on the final map. This is the area my ancestors were all in. I'll try to keep the map I put on the Dutch Corner site limited to Dutch Corner and the immediate area unless others want to see the entire work posted.

I replied to your private message, but just in case....

V Series: http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/rg/di/r17-114CopiedSurveyBooks/Books%20A%20-%20Z/Book%20V/r17-114%20BookV%20Interface.htm

Q Series: http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/bah/dam/rg/di/r17-114CopiedSurveyBooks/Books%20A%20-%20Z/Book%20Q/r17-114%20BookQ%20Interface.htm

I'm typing up the links to the warrants, and list on it the name of the warrantee, the date of the warrant, the date of the survey, how many acres it comprises and warrant number. I figured that'd at least be a start.

You go girl!

The reason the map is getting larger than I originally intended is the way the location of the survey is described. Names can't always be used to look up a warrant survey since the survey may not be in one of the names listed on adjoining surveys. Not all of the copied surveys show the book series-volume-page (i.e.: Series C - Volume 7 - page 9 or C-7-9 for John Bowser) of the surrounding plots. When searching for the name fails I rely on the "shotgun" method of looking up the surveys in the index by it's location. I've posted on the forum the one of the problems with the location description of the watershed. Another problem is the townships were much larger in the 1700's and early 1800's which places me outside the area. Once I put several together and realize I am outside of the intended area I didn't throw them away as I have found sometimes following the references to other surveys written on those plots leads me back to the intended area and fills in a few holes. Besides, once I pull this together with the warrant surveys I figure I will give a copy to the historical society for use by others. I don't think there should be too much subdivision with the warrant surveys. I hope most of the subdividing of Imlertown and other areas was done after the patent was issued which means it would then be a deed recorded at the courthouse and will not affect my work with the warrant surveys. The deeds will on the other hand be needed to "move forward" to show how the land changed hands. This would be of more interest to the current land owners of the area and can be left to each one of interest to research their own areas since they would better know the area. I think I got the north end of Dutch Corner just about to I-99 off the sothern end of Black Oak Ridge. I found a 630 arce plot that I think is in the area of where I-99 and Bus. 220 cross. On the northern section I think I am now south of the junction of Bobs and Scrubgrass Creeks approaching the jucntion of Dunnings Creek. The are north and west of Osterburg has come together rather quickly and easily since the many of those plots are around 400 acres or more. When I get the two sections joined I will send and updated map. Lora will probably hate me at that point when she sees the size the map has grown to. Well, maybe she won't kill me since most of it would be outside Dutch Corner and wouldn't be much interest to this forum.

Well, I don't have the two sections of my map yet connected, but I do think it is time to reveal the updated DC area. Dunnings Creek is becoming visible which should help in trying to overlay this over a current map or aerial image. Hopefully things will line up as they should. I added several more plots and added the names as they appeared on the surveys. When I first started work on the map I thought placing the names on the map would make it too difficult to read, but I realized how helpful it could be to others to see different names associated with each plot. I found putting them in green allows the map to still be viewed. I haven’t tried printing the map with the added information so it may appear cluttered if printed in B&W. If so then I could provide two versions of the map when I reach a stopping point. Maybe making them slightly lighter will cause them to drop out when printed as I found making a plot in gray it did not print on my printer. I also placed names on the map for surrounding surveys I have yet to find and fit into the map. I shifted some of the plots in the NW part of the map that became obvious they needed to move slightly west for the new plots to fit. There is one area of interference that is marked with the dotted line between A-4-248 and A-7-286. I most likely have something drawn wrong or could be missing some "filler" plots. It is amazing that things line up as good as they do considering the survey’s were done with poles and chains over sometimes rough terrain. Some of the plots were subdivided. You will see this if you look up the copied surveys on the PHMC web site. Some of the plots I will not be able to show the subdivisions in detail, but maybe in the end I can include and index to list the subdivided warrant plots. I realize there are further subdivisions that have happened by the use of deeds recorded at the county courthouse. They will not appear on this map. I am just doing the warrant surveys held by the state. The exception to this will be the area of the Bowser homestead which I would like to show the changes, but this will be a separate map. Speaking of which, Frank do you have the deeds or the recorded locations? I looked at the maps you loaned me and some of the info is missing in order to draw them on the computer.

Bill

Yes, I think I have copies of all of the deeds. Believe me, they were hard to read! There were many mistakes. What I gave to you, Bill, was the best I could do with what I had.

Have you found ANY line that "lines up" with the original warrants or patents?

If we can establish even ONE, it should make the rest fall into place.

Frank